Route QoS Prediction - scope enhancement of Predictive Connectivity Data#303
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Hi @ALIIQBAL786 , Thanks for creating the Backlog issue and the API proposal PR, and for sharing the supporting material. It’s good to see a potential new API that could be incorporated into the CAMARA API family. I’ll include the proposal in next week’s Backlog agenda. Before the session, a few quick points that came up while reading the proposal (we can cover everything live in the Backlog call):
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Hi @ALIIQBAL786<https://github.com/ALIIQBAL786> ,
Thanks for creating the Backlog issue and the API proposal PR, and for sharing the supporting material. It’s good to see a potential new API that could be incorporated into the CAMARA API family. I’ll include the proposal in next week’s Backlog agenda.
Before the session, a few quick points that came up while reading the proposal (we can cover everything live in the Backlog call):
* CAMARA capability vs MEC wrapper: today it can read as “a CAMARA façade over ETSI MEC 030 via a Transformation Function”. It would help to explicitly define the northbound service semantics (key entities/resources and portability expectations) and keep the TF/MEC mapping as implementation guidance.
* Service API vs Operate/Platform boundary: terms like “provisioning” (especially anything that sounds like radio/network provisioning) may trigger out-of-scope concerns. Please make clear this is developer-facing service exposure (service-level configuration/info needed by apps/vehicles), not network management.
* Overlap positioning: since you reference QoS/QoD and other CAMARA APIs, please clearly state what is in-scope for V2X Exposure and what is out-of-scope (covered by existing CAMARA APIs). Otherwise the discussion risks getting stuck on “this API does too much”.
* Subscriptions alignment: if you propose a unified subscription entry point for multiple event types, make sure it follows CAMARA/Commonalities subscription patterns. Even before YAML, a short description of subscription semantics (filters/geo scoping, event types, error model) in the PR will make the review much more concrete.
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Thank you Alberto,
Will discuss it with our ETSI team 👍.
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Hi @ALIIQBAL786<https://github.com/ALIIQBAL786> ,
Thanks for creating the Backlog issue and the API proposal PR, and for sharing the supporting material. It’s good to see a potential new API that could be incorporated into the CAMARA API family. I’ll include the proposal in next week’s Backlog agenda.
Before the session, a few quick points that came up while reading the proposal (we can cover everything live in the Backlog call):
* CAMARA capability vs MEC wrapper: today it can read as “a CAMARA façade over ETSI MEC 030 via a Transformation Function”. It would help to explicitly define the northbound service semantics (key entities/resources and portability expectations) and keep the TF/MEC mapping as implementation guidance.
* Service API vs Operate/Platform boundary: terms like “provisioning” (especially anything that sounds like radio/network provisioning) may trigger out-of-scope concerns. Please make clear this is developer-facing service exposure (service-level configuration/info needed by apps/vehicles), not network management.
* Overlap positioning: since you reference QoS/QoD and other CAMARA APIs, please clearly state what is in-scope for V2X Exposure and what is out-of-scope (covered by existing CAMARA APIs). Otherwise the discussion risks getting stuck on “this API does too much”.
* Subscriptions alignment: if you propose a unified subscription entry point for multiple event types, make sure it follows CAMARA/Commonalities subscription patterns. Even before YAML, a short description of subscription semantics (filters/geo scoping, event types, error model) in the PR will make the review much more concrete.
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Hi @ALIIQBAL786, Thanks all for the offline exchanges so far. We received a message from Gianmarco at nextgcloud, and we've been discussing the API proposal internally. To keep the evaluation transparent and aligned with the normal CAMARA backlog process, I think the discussion should continue here in the backlog thread rather than through additional 1:1 discussions. After reviewing the current material and the feedback shared so far, we do not think the proposal is yet sufficiently framed as a concrete CAMARA API demand. At the moment, the slides read more like a connected ambulance / V2X solution architecture than a clearly isolated CAMARA northbound API capability. The material combines a vertical use case, ETSI MEC V2X Information Service, a Transformation Function, QoD/QoS composition, and potentially additional APIs. In that form, it is still unclear what the single concrete CAMARA capability is that should be proposed here. From a CAMARA perspective, it would be important to reformulate the proposal in a more focused and use case-neutral way. In particular, please update the backlog material to clarify:
If useful, you may add one high-level diagram only insofar as it helps explain that single candidate capability. I would avoid expanding the full PoC solution architecture further unless it directly helps clarify the API proposal itself. Once the proposal is updated in that form, it will be easier for the backlog group to assess whether:
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Hi @ALIIQBAL786, Thank you for presenting the updated proposal during today’s API Backlog session. Below is a brief summary of the remaining action points and the next steps discussed during the meeting. Outstanding action pointsAP2 — Define the normative CAMARA northbound semantics independently of MECStatus: Partially addressed The updated proposal is more focused, but several elements of the northbound contract still need to be defined clearly and independently of the underlying implementation:
Please define these semantics explicitly, including the expected treatment of AP4 — Align subscriptions with CAMARA/Commonalities patternsStatus: Pending The revised proposal still includes subscriptions for forecast-change notifications. If subscriptions remain within scope, please align the design with CAMARA/Commonalities patterns, including:
It would also be useful to separate clearly:
These are different interaction patterns and should not be conflated. AP5 — Clarify overlap and positioning within the existing CAMARA portfolioStatus: Partially addressed — further review required The updated slides provide a first overlap analysis, but the positioning still needs to be refined. Some elements in the proposal are currently mixed together, which makes the capability look like an L4 solution flow rather than a single horizontal CAMARA building block. In particular, QoD invocation, route optimisation and application adaptation should remain outside the normative scope of the API. They can be documented as useful examples of API composition. Please review the proposal with @eric-murray and discuss the potential overlap with Connectivity Insights with @kevin-smith. From the Predictive Connectivity Data perspective, my initial assessment is that there is also a significant overlap with the existing Predictive Connectivity Data API. The current API already provides future connectivity estimations for a geographic area or volume and explicitly includes drone flight planning and autonomous-car route planning among its use cases. The meaningful delta introduced by this proposal appears to be more specific:
Based on this, my preliminary recommendation would be to assess the proposal as a potential scope enhancement of Predictive Connectivity Data, rather than progressing it directly as a new V2X API family or as an update of the original V2X Exposure API proposal. WDYT @eric-murray? AP6 — Review related TM Forum capabilitiesStatus: Pending Please review the following TM Forum capabilities and document the outcome of the analysis: The objective is to clarify whether they overlap with the updated proposal, complement it or are no longer relevant following the scope refinement. Immediate next stepAs an immediate action, please update the Issue and the PR so that they accurately reflect the revised scope, including:
Please also clarify whether the original V2X Exposure API proposal remains active as a separate proposal or should be withdrawn. Additional information required for the Predictive Connectivity Data reviewTo make the assessment actionable, please provide:
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@albertoramosmonagas @ALIIQBAL786 I discussed with @Kevsy as to whether the updated proposal fitted within the scope of Connectivity Insights, and the conclusion was that Connectivity Insights is not intended to be predictive beyond the immediate future nor beyond the current location of the specified device. So whilst that API can provide alerts if the current channel quality cannot meet a specified minimum requirement, it is not intended to provide these alerts for future (anticipated) locations for the device. For that reason, I think this fits better in Predictive Connectivity Data. Currently, that API is defined for generic service levels independent of any specific device. Part of the discussion will be around whether Predictive Connectivity Data should be extended to be predictive for a specific device, or to remain generic in its predictions. |
One key question is whether the API should remain device-independent or support device-specific predictions. My preference is to keep it device-independent unless there is a strong justification for requiring Suggested next steps @ALIIQBAL786:
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Hi @ALIIQBAL786, Thanks for uploading the OpenAPI definition. From my side, the YAML mostly addresses the previous concern around the northbound semantics: it clarifies that the API is implementation-independent, that the forecast values are best-effort/non-binding, that device is optional, and that unavailable results are handled through outcome.status. For Backlog, I think the main open points are now:
QoD invocation, route optimisation and application adaptation should remain outside the normative scope of the API and be treated only as composition examples. CC: @camaraproject/api-backlog_codeowners |
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Thanks, and good to hear the YAML clears up the semantics question. On portfolio fit: the real gap here is forecasting QoS along a planned route, segment by segment, before the device gets there. Predictive Connectivity Data already forecasts connectivity for an area or volume, so rather than stand this up as a separate API, I think it fits best as an enhancement of PCD. What it actually adds on top is route input instead of a polygon; output broken down per route segment, with numeric latency and throughput plus a confidence value; and the option to subscribe to forecast changes over time. To be clear on scope, the API only produces the forecast. Things like calling QoD, choosing between routes, or adapting the stream sit outside it and are just shown as examples of how you might compose it with other APIs. On the TM Forum side, TMF759 and Private Optimized Connectivity live on the management/NaaS layer, they select and bind connectivity, whereas this is a northbound prediction that could feed into that kind of decision. So I'd read them as complementary rather than overlapping. I still want to confirm that against the full TMF759 v5.0 spec, which is behind TM Forum membership. And you're right about the framing, I'll update the Issue and PR title and description so they reflect the current Route QoS Prediction scope rather than the old V2X one. |
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Thanks @ALIIQBAL786. For the next step, please update the Issue and PR title/description accordingly, including:
One additional process point: if the conclusion is that this should progress as an enhancement of Predictive Connectivity Data, then the proposal should no longer be handled as a generic API Proposal for a new API family. It should be reframed as an API Scope Enhancement instead, following the corresponding Backlog process/template. Once this is reflected in the PR/Issue, I think the Backlog discussion will be much cleaner and we can focus on whether the enhancement should progress within the Predictive Connectivity Data context. CC: @camaraproject/api-backlog_codeowners |
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Don't forget to modify the current API proposal to the Scope enhancement template: https://github.com/camaraproject/APIBacklog/blob/main/documentation/API-Scope-Enhancement-Template.md
What type of PR is this?
What this PR does / why we need it:
This PR proposes Route QoS Prediction: trajectory-aware, per-segment QoS forecasting. An application submits a planned route (a list of waypoints) and receives a forecast of network conditions (latency, throughput, reliability) with a confidence value for each segment, before a device travels the route.
Following the API Backlog discussion, this is reframed as a scope enhancement of Predictive Connectivity Data (PCD) rather than a new V2X API family, and now follows the API Scope Enhancement template. It supersedes the earlier V2X Exposure API framing.
Relationship with Predictive Connectivity Data. PCD already forecasts connectivity for an area or volume over time. This builds on that model and adds the route dimension. The specific delta is:
Out of scope. The API only produces the forecast. QoD invocation, route optimisation or selection, and application adaptation are outside the normative scope and are shown only as examples of API composition.
TM Forum. TMF759 (Private Optimized Binding) and Private Optimized Connectivity sit on the management/NaaS layer, whereas this is a northbound predictive primitive whose output could feed such a decision. They therefore appear complementary rather than overlapping, still to be confirmed against the full TMF759 v5.0 specification.
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documentation/API proposals/APIScopeEnhancement_Route_QoS_Prediction.mddocumentation/SupportingDocuments/route-qos-prediction.yaml(lint-clean against the CAMARA Commonalities ruleset)documentation/SupportingDocuments/Route QoS Prediction API.pptxWhich issue(s) this PR fixes:
Fixes #302
Special notes for reviewers:
Reframed from a new V2X API family to a Predictive Connectivity Data scope enhancement, per the Backlog feedback. Northbound semantics (device-optional MVP, best-effort values, enum outcome model) are captured in the OpenAPI definition. Happy to review the field-level delta with @eric-murray and Connectivity Insights overlap with @kevin-smith.
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