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Currently appvm uses X11/Xorg. This issue is for experimentation with Wayland, with eventual goal being to have optional Wayland support without Xorg on the guest, and maybe to pass windows to the host more directly with waypipe.
Possible approaches
cage (or other simple wayland compositor)
Cage is a simple compositor that starts a single application full-screen and quits as soon as that application quits.
Problems: no support for automatic resizing or other features of SPICE. It's a deal-breaker, as the almost-native experience that we thrive for is ruined by the need to capture pointer and keyboard, and the window does not resize correctly.
Possible solution: write a daemon that reacts to SPICE events.
Things done
mingetty autologins user, cage starts from loginShellInit
Problems: not very fast, feels bodgy
cage replaces getty, logs in via a PAM module (as suggested upstream)
Make cage understand SPICE (either by patching cage or by writing a shim`
Find another wayland compositor that already knows SPICE
GNOME3
Gnome3 supports SPICE natively or maybe not, see the following
GDM starts a wayland gnome kiosk session
Problems: really heavy, might be buggy
dbus-launch gnome-session from loginShellInit
Problems: might not support SPICE or whatever
waypipe without compositor
It might be possible to run waypipe on a guest without having a compositor at all. This would solve most of our problems with SPICE, since all of the window management now happens on the host. I have not looked into waypipe, so maybe I'm wrong, but this looks like the most elegant and "correct" solution of them all.
Problems: might not actually run without a compositor, might be slow, requires networking between guest and host, might be insecure
Investigation process:
waypipe can run without a compositor (tested with waypipe ssh headless-server konsole, where headless-server only has waypipe and konsole installed)
Figure out how host and guest can talk to each other
Figure out how to make guest's waypipe server talk with host's waypipe client (using -s argument and socat)
Things done:
Run a guest with waypipe and the application installed, then run waypipe ssh user@guest application from the host (we have to figure out credentials)
Run waypipe client on a host, run guest with waypipe server CMD, make them communicate (I like this solution the most of them all)
Currently appvm uses X11/Xorg. This issue is for experimentation with Wayland, with eventual goal being to have optional Wayland support without Xorg on the guest, and maybe to pass windows to the host more directly with waypipe.
Possible approaches
cage(or other simple wayland compositor)Cage is a simple compositor that starts a single application full-screen and quits as soon as that application quits.
Problems: no support for automatic resizing or other features of SPICE. It's a deal-breaker, as the almost-native experience that we thrive for is ruined by the need to capture pointer and keyboard, and the window does not resize correctly.
Possible solution: write a daemon that reacts to SPICE events.
Things done
mingettyautologins user,cagestarts fromloginShellInitProblems: not very fast, feels bodgy
cagereplaces getty, logs in via a PAM module (as suggested upstream)cageunderstandSPICE(either by patchingcageor by writing a shim`GNOME3
Gnome3 supports SPICE natively or maybe not, see the following
Potential problems: SPICE not working, very heavy, not sure if it can run a single full-screen app without all the fuss (see https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/lockdown-single-app-mode.html.en, not sure if this is for wayland or for X)
Things done:
Problems: really heavy, might be buggy
dbus-launch gnome-sessionfromloginShellInitProblems: might not support SPICE or whatever
waypipewithout compositorIt might be possible to run
waypipeon a guest without having a compositor at all. This would solve most of our problems with SPICE, since all of the window management now happens on the host. I have not looked intowaypipe, so maybe I'm wrong, but this looks like the most elegant and "correct" solution of them all.Problems: might not actually run without a compositor, might be slow, requires networking between guest and host, might be insecure
Investigation process:
waypipecan run without a compositor (tested withwaypipe ssh headless-server konsole, whereheadless-serveronly has waypipe and konsole installed)waypipe servertalk with host'swaypipe client(using-sargument andsocat)Things done:
waypipeand the application installed, then runwaypipe ssh user@guest applicationfrom the host (we have to figure out credentials)waypipe clienton a host, run guest withwaypipe server CMD, make them communicate (I like this solution the most of them all)