Import Category Mapping for Sequential Prophet X

[Walleye-Sencza]

I didn't see a "Sequential Prophet X" entry in the import mapping_categories.json file (only for "Access Virus B" and "Roland JUNO-DS" and "Roland XV-3080" even though setup was for Sequential Prop[het X), so I edited the file as per attached and got no errors, but also no categorization performed on bank import from synth. Not sure if KnobKraft can actually read the (up to) two instrument types (embedded as Hex) in the sysex file for each program patch or do I just ignore this file for now.

I successfully transferred to a Windows 11 laptop and all is working perfectly (including my added categories, automatic_categories.json and importing my old database into the new install....

No rush for answer, away for 1 week starting tomorrow...

Thanks
Wally
Walter.Sencza@gmail.com
807-229-6087

mapping_categories.jsonc

[RadekPilich]

@Walleye-Sencza hope this helps #499 (comment)

[Walleye-Sencza]

Not sure if I can make an adaption for the Prophet X using the example given, but I'll give it a try over the next few weeks.
Thanks
Walleye

[RadekPilich]

@Walleye-Sencza there is already an adaption for all sequential synths.... GenericSequential. But it doesn't have the storedTags function to extract categories from patches. Does Prophet X use categories? I have only PRO3 and there are no categories on PRO3 patches.

[Walleye-Sencza]

The Prophet X stores up to 98 imported sounds within each of 17 Instrument Types (categories) arranged under 32 reserved slots in each of the user and add-in sections (64 reserved slots) plus all the built in factory sounds that reside under the 17 instrument types as well. These 17 Instrument Types are what I included in the Import Mapping json file. I will spend some time trying to find the location within the sysex files that represents the Instrument Type (category) and the Hex reference number for the different Instrument Types so they can be linked to the Instrument Text Name. Once I have that, then the next step would be to edit an adaptation to see if it will work.

Gone for holidays for 2 weeks...
Thanks
Walleye

[christofmuc]

Enjoy your holiday! The anaylsis of the sysex might be the hardest part, Sequential at some point stopped to provide the detailed sysex breakdown they handed out for their earlier synths. Will need some research I guess.

[RadekPilich]

Actually, it might be pretty easy - if you can, store the same patch into 3-4 consequent slots and set a different category for each. Then download the bank into KnobKraft and use patch comparison to see where the bytes differ. it will most likely be the same sysex with exception of the category byte and maybe a slot number byte (if it is also a part of the sysex) and possibly some additional byte or two.

[Walleye-Sencza]

I spent a bit of time locating the necessary data for reading the Instrument Type on the Prophet X/XL from the Sysex data that is transmitted for each Program patch. The write up is a bit long in the tooth but the summary should be enough info to try adding some Python code so that KnobKraft can auto categorize patches based on reading the relevant Prophet X/XL Instrument Types from a Sysex Program/Bank dump file. I will be away for another trip but hope to return (and learn) how to add python code.... See attached file Prophet X Mapping Sysex Files.docx Thanks Walleye

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[christofmuc]

Good progress! Let us know when you try and want some pointers!

[Walleye-Sencza]

I have run into an issue that I can't resolve... KnobKraft only opens a white rectangle and then crashes...I can change the size of the white rectangle in KnobKraftOrm.settings, so it gets that far... I have tried older restore points, uninstall/re-install various versions of KK, rollback video drivers, updated NVIDIA 5090 drivers, re-installed Windows, run with NVIDIA or Intel graphics, all to no avail... The one WER crash log I viewed indicated an issue with nvwgf2umx.dll as a fault module (see attached)... I tried searching/deleting everything KnobKraft (except in the Registry and the Windows KnobKraft prefetch files) and re-installing...still no luck... Not sure where to turn to fix my issue...If you can help, would truly appreciate getting KK back up and running... Not a high priority so I can take my time sleuthing through this issue... Walleye

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[Walleye-Sencza]

I solved the issue causing KnobKraft to crash...On a  whim, I deleted the new Jan 30 Intel graphics driver, and my laptop switched to the latest NVIDIA 5090 driver and KnobKraft now worked perfectly...Will try DDU to remove and then install original Intel drivers for my laptop...ThanksWalleyeSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Walter Sencza ***@***.***> Date: 2026-04-06 10:34 (GMT-05:00) To: christofmuc/KnobKraft-orm ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [christofmuc/KnobKraft-orm] Import Category Mapping for Sequential Prophet X (Issue #506) I have run into an issue that I can't resolve... KnobKraft only opens a white rectangle and then crashes...I can change the size of the white rectangle in KnobKraftOrm.settings, so it gets that far... I have tried older restore points, uninstall/re-install various versions of KK, rollback video drivers, updated NVIDIA 5090 drivers, re-installed Windows, run with NVIDIA or Intel graphics, all to no avail... The one WER crash log I viewed indicated an issue with nvwgf2umx.dll as a fault module (see attached)... I tried searching/deleting everything KnobKraft (except in the Registry and the Windows KnobKraft prefetch files) and re-installing...still no luck... Not sure where to turn to fix my issue...If you can help, would truly appreciate getting KK back up and running... Not a high priority so I can take my time sleuthing through this issue... Walleye   From: Christof ***@***.***> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2026 18:11 To: christofmuc/KnobKraft-orm ***@***.***> Cc: Walleye-Sencza ***@***.***>; Mention ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [christofmuc/KnobKraft-orm] Import Category Mapping for Sequential Prophet X (Issue #506) christofmuc left a comment (christofmuc/KnobKraft-orm#506) Good progress! Let us know when you try and want some pointers! — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***> Version=1 EventType=APPCRASH EventTime=134198859635244941 ReportType=2 Consent=1 UploadTime=134198859641853484 ReportStatus=268435456 ReportIdentifier=5b4964e2-65cf-475c-85fd-112e8213e2ee IntegratorReportIdentifier=84326be9-ee60-491a-a0ae-b7a2e9e06d77 Wow64Host=34404 NsAppName=KnobKraftOrm.exe AppSessionGuid=00005108-0001-007f-0db4-e0d726c5dc01 TargetAppId=W:00000761db6ce27161e5bc36a774a6e69ee70000ffff!0000703a7ac827e3c72741785ced139dcf482cad7819!KnobKraftOrm.exe TargetAppVer=2026//02//17:20:51:44!0!KnobKraftOrm.exe BootId=4294967295 TargetAsId=618 UserImpactVector=808452096 IsFatal=1 Response.BucketId=e5cac00e106a4c2d77e673c01e20ffc9 Response.BucketTable=4 Response.LegacyBucketId=1722191176492187593 Response.type=4 Sig[0].Name=Application Name Sig[0].Value=KnobKraftOrm.exe Sig[1].Name=Application Version Sig[1].Value=0.0.0.0 Sig[2].Name=Application Timestamp Sig[2].Value=6994d4e0 Sig[3].Name=Fault Module Name 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[christofmuc]

Crazy, would never expect a graphics driver to not like KnobKraft! Great that you found that! Let me know if you get it under control!

I see crashes in the crash log (the opt in crash reporting) which are analyzed like this: "The overflow likely stems from recursive calls within the NVIDIA graphics driver component (nvwgf2umx.dll).". There are 2 other crashes reported, all somewhere in the graphics stack. So I wonder if the JUCE graphics libraries in the new builds are somewhat bugged... maybe I need to check if I can update something.

Not sure if that's from your machine. Are you still on Windows 10?