Amethyst Mod Manager general discussion

[ChrisDKN]

Discuss things idk

is cereal soup?

[Blackfox-Thane]

@ChrisDKN Would you be open to suggestions for tools that could help make appimage creation compatible with other distros?

[ChrisDKN]

Yes, I've actually already switched to using quick-sharun and I'm testing it now.

[MichaelD851]

Any plans to add support for modl sites like Mod:Pub?

[ChrisDKN]

Support it in what way? I cant see anything that would need to be changed

[MichaelD851]

Well I guess first ModPub would need to add a button for Amethyst Download like they have for MO2. The MO2 link opens MO2. The only other option they have is Manual which obviously is not the same as a direct download into Amethyst like you can do with Nexus. This is beginning to sound like a lot of work. Admittedly it is a fringe case since there are really only a handful of mods for various supported games there so manual dl then click install mod is not that onerous of a task.

[Steinardarri]

Here is the article on the modl:// URL Protocol
https://mod.pub/news/2-mo2-downloads-from-modpub-and-anywhere-else

[WackoFurball6]

I'm curious, are you planning to add a feature to create collections and not just import them from Nexus? Or are you planning to do it manually like exporting the mod list so it can be saved somewhere?

[ChrisDKN]

I looked into it a while back and it is possible through the Nexus api to upload a collection to their site. The issue is I would need to know every tiny detail about how the collection manifest is written. Then the other issue is testing such a feature.

Currently the collection menu has a workshop button that allows you to export a modlist and import it later like a collection.

There's a wiki guide for it here

[WackoFurball6]

Sounds like a hard time indeed. Hopefully it can work one day!

Doing it manually sounds like a good middle-ground anyway, still better than not being able to do it imo

[l2nkxk8z]

Wondering what the OverWrite top bar does, it's not mentioned in the wiki.
also wiki mentions that symlinks are slower to load, load what exactly? the game itself, the mods in manager or something else?

[ChrisDKN]

Sometimes when you add a mod that can be tweaked in game, it will create a configuration file to save the settings that you picked. The mod would place this file somewhere in the game folder. Restore is meant to put the game back to it's vanilla state, this means also removing any file that a mod has created. Which would be annoying as you you would have to change your settings for that mod again since the file was neither part of the vanilla files or the mod files, so it would be deleted permanently

Instead any file that a mod creates is placed in overwrite when you restore, So any files generated at runtime are saved and placed back when deploying again.

For the symlimk thing, if for example you have a large skyrim modlist of around 500+ mods, the game will take longer to load to the main menu than if you set it to hard links, Usually the more mods, the worse it gets. The difference can be negligible is most cases and using symlinks is fine. But in general hardlinks will give the best loading times if the games loading times depends on mod count

[heathbrownkeyworks]

Not sure if this is a stupid question, but is it possible to run Creation Kit SE through this?

[ChrisDKN]

There's a wizard in the pre release version currently for it. I have little to no experience with it so my testing is basically just making sure it runs and buttons do things.

[heathbrownkeyworks]

Thanks for the quick response. I was going to develop something like this - but I'm glad you did. I already have enough on my plate. No matter what the AI haters say, as a developer I know you can't get a job these days without having AI under your belt. So FACTS - it looks pretty damn good. Congrats.

[jayderyu]

how to re-point folders. I have Dragon Age Origins for GoG instead of steam. When I deploy the plugins, I can see it going to a steamuser folder. Instead of pfx or even a direct install folder option. How can I re point the mods folder to where GoG folder setup is. I'm using the Lutris installer.

folder I have
game path
/run/media/system/unix-data/store_games/dragon_age_origins

install path
/run/media/system/unix-data/store_games/dragon_age_origins/drive_c/GOG Games/Dragon Age Origins

pfx
/run/media/system/unix-data/store_games/dragon_age_origins/pfx

What can I do to re point where the mods install. As it is now it seems to install to a steam folder.

[l2nkxk8z]

most DAO mods go into user documents folder, if you are saying that you want all mods to go into root folder where bin_ship is you are mistaken. there are few mods that you would install in root folder, like cutscene upscales, and you can enable that in context menu.
pfx is just the prefix where drive_C is.

steamuser is a generic user folder because that's the default username for proton I think, you don't have to have steam to have that folder.

[jayderyu]

Sorry. I confused the matter. I

The games exe folder
/run/media/system/unix-data/store_games/dragon_age_origins/drive_c/GOG Games/Dragon Age Origins/bin_ship

I mentioned the steamuser folder, because when I deploy mods they go into this folder path. The mods in this folder don't work.
/run/media/system/unix-data/store_games/dragon_age_origins/drive_c/users/steamuser/Documents/BioWare/Dragon Age/packages/core/override

However if I copy the mods to the following folder, they do work.
/run/media/system/unix-data/store_games/dragon_age_origins/drive_c/GOG Games/Dragon Age Origins/packages/core/override

What I'm trying to figure out, is to set it up so that deploy mods will send them to the runtime, or the equivalent steamuser GoG version.

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I referenced the pfx folder, as it seems related to where the deploy command sent them to. But I think I misunderstood it's use. I'm going to ignore the pfx topic now, as I understand more.

[ChrisDKN]

Easiest way might be to symlink packages/core/override from the steamuser path into the gog one. They will still deploy to the steamuser path but will also end up in the gog path where the game reads them from.

[l2nkxk8z]

I also have the gog version of game, but I'm using faugus-launcher.

I mentioned the steamuser folder, because when I deploy mods they go into this folder path. The mods in this folder don't work. /run/media/system/unix-data/store_games/dragon_age_origins/drive_c/users/steamuser/Documents/BioWare/Dragon Age/packages/core/override

That's the correct folder and should work, unless steamuser is wrong for lutris. can you open the terminal in the users folder and enter ls -l and see which folders you have and if there is arrow pointed to steamuser folder. also is your steamuser folder empty otherwise?

However if I copy the mods to the following folder, they do work. /run/media/system/unix-data/store_games/dragon_age_origins/drive_c/GOG Games/Dragon Age Origins/packages/core/override

I think you might run into issues doing it that way. there is probably a good reason why everyone installs in the documents folder although I don't remember what it is.

[jayderyu]

Thank you both for you suggestions.

• I'll try faugus-launcher, then the symlink.
• I'm not a big fan of copy and pasting mods directly to the install. the way it works with symlinks seems to be really slick
  I'll try these. thank you both of you. If I have any issues I'll follow up.

These details might be helpful in an FAQ for games that aren't in the expected use case.

[sammy6345]

it might be that an issue is a better place for this, but is it possible to import mod list/configs from a MO2 instance rather then having to remake the whole thing again? I have a ttw setup, that being ttw, requires a bunch of mods, including main files, alt files, configs from other mod's alt files.

[ChrisDKN]

I had an mo2 import feature a while back but it didn't work properly due to subtle differences in how both applications handle profiles so the feature was scrapped.

It's possible to create a profile in amethyst and move over the mo2 files manually.

[TheMrGeeBee]

Better Mod Names.

The names that are extracted now are, most of the time, just BS names.

• When downloading a mod, check the download for the name from the mod descriptor. If it exists, fall back on checking the download source for a mod name. For Nexus mods and mod.io this should be easily achieved.

[ChrisDKN]

Nexus had changed their archive name format a few times in the last few weeks, I've tried to keep on top of it but some will slip through with wrong names.

[TheMrGeeBee]

Nexus had changed their archive name format a few times in the last few weeks, I've tried to keep on top of it but some will slip through with wrong names.

It has nothing to do with the package itself. You can pull the .meta file.

[TheMrGeeBee]

Filter by Enabled/Disabled

• Add to Show/Hide Columns, so that sorting can be used for Enabled/Disabled

I found it in the Filter button, but I would like to have it in the Show/Hide as well.

[l2nkxk8z]

now that the app is in qt shouldn't it be able to run in wayland?

[TheMrGeeBee]

It runs fine in Wayland. What's the issue you encountering?

[l2nkxk8z]

I managed to make it run on wayland with QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland
it ran on xwayland by default though, that's not the case with others apps.

[ChrisDKN]

The tooltips don't work properly on native wayland. Also the performance of the flatpak is terrible in wayland for some reason

[TheMrGeeBee]

Wayland has no global cursor/window position by design, and that is also confirmed by the KDE team. That is why the tooltips don't work correctly in Wayland.

I haven't tested the Flatpak version yet, but it shouldn't be slower on Wayland compared to the AppImage.

Mesa/driver mismatch inside the Flatpak sandbox. Flatpak apps render against the freedesktop Platform runtime's bundle driver, and not your hosts. So if the container is lagging after in the driver, it would possibly feel a bit slower.

[ChrisDKN]

I know that. They work fine at default scaling but break at higher scaling so I set it to xwayland to stop someone complaining about it later

The draggable separators and colour pickers in the flatpak basically don't function unless QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb is set because Qt's Wayland client backingstore does software buffer commits, and xcb doesn't